Brilliant thread Billy! I'll have to see how I can incorporate the points into conversation too.
Thanks!
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Telling family about "new light"
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite inokay, now it's my turn to start a thread about the gb/fds "new light" now that it's been well covered by many threads.
i've noticed that a few have brought this subject up with dub family who accepted wt "new light" without objection, saying that it "made sense" for the fds to only be the gb.
so i have an idea of how to bring this up with my family in such a way that will highlight that this doesn't make sense... at all.. and the timing of this whole thing is incredibly convenient for me since it wasn't that long ago that this came up with my parents and i said that the wt interpretation of the fds in matthew was out-of-context and flawed.
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A big shift in the world is about to happen......
by EndofMysteries ini don't want to deceive anyone and i have to clarify a few things so i'm sorry this is going to be a lot more vague then you want.
infact if you do not already realize or also feel something is about to happen as in the title, then move along, it will be a month or 2 before i update this.
it's not my intention to annoy anybody, i am too uncomfortable to post any details because it's too new and i need to verify things, and i am also feeling responsible to give a subtle warning, that it might be something somebody needs to see.
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Is annual meeting F&DS change a troll?
by EndofMysteries ini went to the reddit site supposedly where the rumor started.
anybody know that guy?
unless i see notes, and how they explained it, if it was an hour long, or hear it, it's a troll for the moment.
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For whatever its worth, I spoke to a Bethelite this weekend about the annual meeting. He brought up the change/"new light" and confirmed what has been said here. I didn't say much in return.
I don't expect anyone to accept that from me per say. But hopefully I've built up a trustworthy reputation here.
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The WT Encourages JWs to learn about the early history of the organization! - 8/15/12 WT
by 00DAD inironically, in today's wt, jws are encouraged to study the early history of the "earthly organization".
like them [the sons of korah], do you have a desire to study and recount the history of the earthly part of jehovahs organization?
the more you learn about gods organization and how jehovah supports his people, the more real gods kingdom will be to you.
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Well put Quendi. I completely agree.
The GB is taking the belt off and getting ready to wield it against any rowdy JWs.
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Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd
by Recovery injwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.
i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.
1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-30-2012 WT Study (WITH YOU)
by blondie intrue, or accurate, knowledge of gods word.
see that jesus is with his disciples today.
the true knowledge known, jehovah.
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Below is how I feel about these "truths" that are no longer truths but that the Bible Students were teaching.
As always, thank you Blondie.
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SAFE WAY to awaken, VERY POWERFUL. Even called Bethel elder on it.
by EndofMysteries ini've found this topic and subject to be extremely powerful.
this is for those who still believe in god, realize the wt is apostate, and trying to help family.
(meaning i do not wish it to be used on trying to turn people athiest, i respect everyone's choices, i just believe and would hate my help to do what i feel is wrong) it might help fix things, or if you are still wondering how to awaken them without scaring them and being instantly shunned.
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Is There a Such Thing as Progressive Understanding?
by Recovery inis there such a thing as progressive understanding of god's will?
a simple yes or no will suffice, but if you'd like to state why, please by all means do so..
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I do believe there is such a thing as progressive understanding.
But saying you were wearing a pair of blue basketball sneakers and then changing it to a black hiking boot on the left foot and then changing again to having one foot bare and one pink sandle on your other foot.........well that's just downright lying and makes you look crazy.
The WTS's understanding is everchanging. It makes them look like downright liars. Don't forget, they like to make their own definitions to words also (example being "generation"). What makes you think their definition of "progressive" fits a normal, sane, human being's explanation?
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Not Sure What I Believe In Anymore
by nuthouse escapee ininside my head is a tangled ball of wool when it comes to what i believe.
i have days where i believe in a creator and other days when i don't.
then there are times when i refer to this as believing in 'something' but what exactly this something is, i have no idea.
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I don't really know what I believe either. But at the present time I am comfortable with that and quite happy.
That's not to say I don't question things. I guess I just don't feel I have to pick a side and worry that if I don't, I'll be destroyed.
But overall great suggestions, especially this one - READ, READ, READ.
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Media Expose's on WT Abuse Coverups
by Christ Alone inobviously this has been covered to death, but i haven't seen a comprehensive list of stories produced by the media that have been done on the recent abuse cover ups of the watchtower.
today i saw this news story from australia, and i had never seen it.
i wanted to create a thread that can constantly be updated as the media exposes the practices of the watchtower of covering up abuse.
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